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Building kayak info? (Read 2629 times)
02/06/10 at 23:26:13

Tim Marino   Offline
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For all you who have built homemade boats;  What are the best reference books for a beginner boat builder? Any quick tips on preferred designs for a MR340 or how to get started?  Ok, ...stop laughing!
 

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Reply #1 - 02/06/10 at 23:48:42
Osprey   Ex Member

 
Pygmy Osprey HP
http://www.pygmyboats.com/


Stitch and glue is probably best.


Chesapeake boats are also recommended.
http://www.clcboats.com/

Dan
 
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Reply #2 - 02/07/10 at 02:27:02
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"Coffee Dog's" have boat building experience, darn good time too, 60 hrs I think!
 
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Reply #3 - 02/07/10 at 12:53:07

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To help it would depend on the type of boat.....kayak or canoe or outrgger and racing or touring.  I have done a little of all these .....there is even skin on frame. Sof boats are hardly fragle when done right.   Lots of approaches.   If doing a canoe.  Wood strip is the way to go.  Stitch and glue is bomb proof and kits will make learning curve way easier.   Consider a pax 20....I have built 10 home brews and two have been raced on 340.....nothing feels as cool as paddling a home built and you can use plastic barrels and duct tape.....just ask dog and coffee
 

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Reply #4 - 02/07/10 at 18:27:26

Walt Birmingham   Offline
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As Dan says, CLC and Pygmy are both good. You can buy plans or kits depending on what you want. If you are simply looking for books I would start with Kayakcraft or Canoecraft, both by Ted Moores.
 

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Reply #5 - 02/07/10 at 18:43:54

Walt Birmingham   Offline
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Bryan also makes a good point. I have done a couple of stitch and glues and one strip built. To me the stitch and glue is definitly the easiest over strip built. However that said, I took the hard road and milled my own strips which is a tremendous amount of work. But there are so many ways to approach a homebuilt boat it really boils down to what you want and how much time you have.
 

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Reply #6 - 02/09/10 at 09:12:39

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Tim,

I am not sure about any books on boat building.  I have looked at the library and haven't really found any that relate specifically to kayaks.

Anyway, I am about 4 weeks into building a kit from Pygmy Boats.  The model I bought is the Borealis since I am 6'5" and over 275lbs.

I have put in about 20-25 hours so far and am just about ready to start the fiberglassing process.

The kit comes precision cut, and while there is work involved, the process is very easy and requires minimal tools.

I live in St Charles and plan on having it ready for the water by April 15th.  At the pace I am going, I am hoping to finish by the end of March.

Overall I am having a blast building this kit.  My kids are constantly wanting to help and they are getting involved as well.  Here is a link to a build along for one of the Pygmy kits http://home.roadrunner.com/~wreinert/osprey.htm which is very similar to the Borealis.  You could pick up some tips here.

For me it will be much more satisfying to finish the race in a boat that I build with my kids.  DNF is not an option.
 

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Reply #7 - 02/23/10 at 11:45:03

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http://www.amazon.com/Building-Your-Kevlar-Canoe-Foolproof/dp/0070430365 Building your Kevlar Canoe is the book I used. I took my boat, "First Draft", and took it  on the 2009 MR340 with decent success.

http://snorkie.com/canoebuilding/ is the URL for photos of my canoe building journey. I still need to write it all up, but you can see photo steps of the whole process.

You need to ask yourself why you are building a boat. If you are trying to save money, I recommend buying a boat! It isn't cheap. If I had bought a boat, I would have saved a whole bunch of money and time. If you just want to build one because, then go right ahead.

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Reply #8 - 02/23/10 at 13:53:35

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You boat builders are truly my idols.  One day, I would like nothing more to make a competitive run in a boat I built myself.

Cheers to you!!!!

Wally "Mastodontico" Werderich
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« Last Edit: 02/23/10 at 21:23:55 by Los Humungos »  

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Reply #9 - 02/23/10 at 15:25:38

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Tell you what, Wally, come down here some time when we're laying up a 50' six man canoe in a mold and you'll get your fix and never want to do it again. Picture wearing a tyvek suit with a gas mask and rubber gloves, rushing to lay down several layers of kevlar and carbon fiber with perhaps a layer of foam in a hurry with strands sticking to everything as you and 12 of your best friends stumble over each other to get it all smoothed down before the chemicals go off in a heated barn while dealing with a huge headache from the fumes that seem to always get past the mask. No time for food or drink, so you're hungry and dehydrated by the time y'all slip the vacuum bag over the monster to bake.
Granted, a solo or tandem boat wouldn't be such a nightmare, so maybe I should have started on some smaller boats. I wouldn't mind building a woodstrip. That sounds cool, but right now, I'll hire out the chemical-laden boats. --West

P.S. I didn't even mention all the body hair you have to tear out getting the resin off your skin. Somehow it always creeps into the suits. I'll spare you the story of the poor guy who had to go pee in the middle of building a boat. Ouch.
 

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Reply #10 - 02/23/10 at 16:54:26

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Reply #11 - 02/24/10 at 00:08:28

Mark Bramer   Offline
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West Hansen wrote on 02/23/10 at 15:25:38:
Picture wearing a tyvek suit with a gas mask and rubber gloves...


...and a kilt, right?
 

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Reply #12 - 02/27/10 at 21:10:52

Capt. Brey   Offline
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You might try "BOATBUILDER'S MANUAL" by Charles Walbridge, if still in print. Fiberglass/kevlar kayak building.Menasha Ridge Press.P.O.Box 59257.Birmingham, Alabama 35259-9257.!987 plug and mold methodology. Boats built with these older techniques were truly pieces of art. Lots of time and materials though, but that's what to expect if you want a nice boat.
Capt. Brey
 
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Reply #13 - 03/23/10 at 13:51:59

Robert   Offline
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Tim Marino wrote on 02/06/10 at 23:26:13:
For all you who have built homemade boats;  What are the best reference books for a beginner boat builder? Any quick tips on preferred designs for a MR340 or how to get started?  Ok, ...stop laughing!


I bought plans that came with a DVD which I found MUCH more helpful then the books I own. My first was a woodstrip, it is beautiful and a lot of work. My next I plan to do plywood stitch.

http://www.shearwater-boats.com/kayaklisting.htm

Baidarka Double - thats my next boat to build.

http://www.sandypointboatworks.com

Thats where I got plans for my first boat (and DVD) and the support was fantastic. I love their Bay Hawk Duet
 
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